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Noble lies and perpetual war Danny Postel and Shadia Drury discusses Plato and other political philosophers in the service of contemporary theory and practice. This piece is particularly useful as an instance of how ancient philosophy remains relevant. Whether Drury's critique of Leo Strauss and current politics is accurate is open to discussion.

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Meno: Such is the inference. Meno: Certainly.

Socrates: Yes, I have. Is there any difference? Meno: I should. Socrates: Then now that the sameness of all virtue has been proven, try and remember what youngee and Gorgias say that virtue is.

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Let us take first the virtue of a man-he should know how to administer the state, and in the administration of it chatt benefit his friends and harm his enemies; and he must also be careful not to suffer harm himself. Meno: Then you have never met Gorgias when he was at Athens? Meno: I should say that health is the same, both in man and woman. How would you answer me?

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A woman's virtue, if you wish to know about that, may also be easily described: her duty is to order her house, and keep what is indoors, and obey her platonkc. And the same may be said of vice, Socrates. Every age, t condition of life, young or old, male or female, bond or free, has a different virtue: there are virtues less, and Naked girls Kenesaw Nebraska lack of definitions of them; for virtue is relative to the actions and ages of each of us in all that we do.

Gorgias was a famous teacher] Meno: And did you not think that he knew?

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Meno: Certainly not. And am I to carry back this report of you to Thessaly? Meno: Yes. Socrates: Then as he is not here, never mind him, and do you tell me: Socrates: By the gods, Meno, be generous, and tell me what you say that virtue is; for I shall be truly delighted to find that I have been mistaken, and that you and Gorgias do really have this knowledge; although I have been just saying that I have never found anybody who had.

Meno: True.

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Socrates: And if I went on to say: That is what I desire to know, Meno; tell me what is the quality in which they do not differ, but are all alike;-would you be able to answer? Socrates: And they surely would not have been good in the same way, unless their virtue had been the same? Suppose that I carry on the figure of the swarm, and ask of you, What is the nature of the bee?

Socrates: And can either a young man or an elder one be good, if they are intemperate and unjust?

Socrates: And so of the virtues, however many and different they may be, they have all a common nature which makes them virtues; and on this he who would answer the question, "What is virtue? Or is the nature of health always the same, whether in man or woman? I'm still looking for the woman that i can trust to be faithful.

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Were you not saying that the virtue of a man was to order a state, and the virtue of a woman was to order a house? In this case he compares the defining of "virtue" to the defining of "bee". Socrates: And is not this true of size and strength? Socrates: Then both men and women, if they are to be good men and women, must have the same virtues of temperance and justice?

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Socrates: But why? Socrates: And will not virtue, as virtue, be the same, whether in or in a grown-up person, in a woman or in a man? Whether Drury's critique of Leo Strauss and current politics is accurate is open to discussion. When I ask you for one virtue, you present me with a swarm of them, which are in your keeping.

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Noble lies and perpetual war Danny Postel and Shadia Drury discusses Plato and other political philosophers in the service of contemporary theory and practice. Meno: They would not.

Socrates: Then all men are good in the same way, and by participation in the same virtues? If a woman is strong, she will be strong by reason of the same form and of the same strength subsisting in her which there is in the man. Meno: I think not.

And I dare say that he did know, and that you know what he said: please, therefore, to remind me of what he said; or, if you would rather, tell me your own view; for I suspect that you and he think much alike.